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What is LavuLocal?

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LavuLocal Server (LLS) is a local server that allows you to continue operating when you have no internet connection to the cloud servers. While using LLS your system remains fully functional during an outage. As soon as the connection to the cloud server is restored all of your latest sales data will be automatically uploaded. LLS requires a Mac Mini running the software at your location.

For more information on LLS please contact support. http://support.poslavu.com

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How come POSLavu needs a separate server when other systems eg, Revel Systems, Vend, Square etc will carry on working until connection is back up whereapon they re-sync? Are there any advantages of the POSLavu system?

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Hey michael, I really don't know much about those other systems but I will take a guess...

With POSLavu you can set up a restaurant that uses a whole bunch of devices at one time. All of these devices have to stay in sync with each other for the system to be fully functional and I just can't see an efficient reliable way to do that in an ad hoc manner (device to device). A central server really seems like the best way to do that. Can it be done? I'm sure.. but it just seems like there would be a lot of setup involved and the possability for a lot to go wrong.

If you only have one or two devices that are more like facny registers they don't really need to stay in sync and can simply upload their data to the cloud once the connection becomes availalbe again but POSLavu does a lot mroe then that.

If I am wrong and anyone from POSLavu has any more info.. feel free to correct me!

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Hi Rafael,

My colleague and I have been testing out Pos Lavu for 14 days and have now paid for the full license for the new business which should be opening in around six weeks. I have just been playing around with the functions of Lavu at home with nothing connected and it seems to suit our needs well.

We are really interested in Lavu Local Server for reliability even though we are going to have a dual wan/ backup 3g connection to the net.It seems like LLS is still a must for piece of mind.

We have received some information via email from the Pos Lavu team on the process to setup LLS.

I'm presuming it is advised to have a Mac mini Server as it already comes with OSX Lion Server installed and OSX Lion Server is required to work with LLS -

So if we decided to run on just a "Mac Mini"(non server) and install just Lion server on it- will there be any major disadvantage?

One more question, if our net connection goes down- worst case could LLS function independently for a whole day without connecting to the cloud? if not how often does it need to connect?

Many Thanks,

Paul

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Hi!

"We are really interested in Lavu Local Server for reliability even though we are going to have a dual wan/ backup 3g connection to the net.It seems like LLS is still a must for piece of mind."

If you are running LLS, unless you need that backup 3G connection for credit card processing (which you very well might) you are really throwing your money away by paying for that monthly. LLS really does away with the need for the backup connection (CC processing excluded).

"So if we decided to run on just a "Mac Mini"(non server) and install just Lion server on it- will there be any major disadvantage?"

That is exactly what I did. Go ahead and buy the cheapest mac mini you can ($500 - $600) that runs Lion and upgrade it to Lion server via the app store.

"One more question, if our net connection goes down- worst case could LLS function independently for a whole day without connecting to the cloud? if not how often does it need to connect?"

LLS can run as long as you need it to without a network connection, I don't see any reason you could not go for days. The only problem is that you will not have any updated info in your reports (on admin.poslavu.com) and will not be able to make any changes to settings or your menu. You would still be able to pull up sales totals though from the mac mini via the iPad.

Hope that helps! Let me know if you have anymore questions.

Rafael

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Thanks for the advice Rafael,

Well are not intending to use the integrated CC processing anyway as we are in Australia and to my knowledge the supported payment gateways at this stage do not really work with any banks here- we will be using our own bank supplied swiping terminal on the side not reliant on the internet.

We are planning on promoting online ordering through our soon to be website so hoping to be using Lavu toGO to help that out when it's ready. I think I would still like the 3g connection backup if using Lavu ToGo so we can still keep getting orders online through if it's goes down.

As for Mac Mini's-I'm thinking Lavu isn't really very resource hungry, So Would a basic i3 with 2gb ram do? Will LLS see any performance increase with the beefier spec models? We are just running 2 ipads and 3 printers.

and after initial setup we can just leave it on without any keybord/mouse or monitor connected- Want to keep in in a cabinet where space is minimal.

Thanks again for your advice,

Paul

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Good plan with the backup connection and Lavu toGO!

Buy the latest generation Mac Mini but get the lowest spec model that you can. You are correct, running LLS uses almost no resources.

The one found at this link would be fine...

http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MC815LL-Desktop-NEWEST-VERSION/dp/B004YLCLM6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321837153&sr=8-1

Yes, once it is set up you can disconnect the keyboard and monitor. I would set up VNC on it though so that you can access it from another computer if you need to for any reason.

Also see my other post here..

And do yourself a favor, disable spotlight.

launch terminal and enter the following command.


sudo launchctl unload -w /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.metadata.mds.plist
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Spotlight serves no purpose on a server running only LLS and can cause crashing issues with LLS on rare occasions (happened to me a couple weeks ago)

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Rafael,

Thanks for all your advice- Will keep all this info handy was I have the mac mini. Will check out your other post.

Regards,

Paul

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How come POSLavu needs a separate server when other systems eg, Revel Systems, Vend, Square etc will carry on working until connection is back up whereapon they re-sync? Are there any advantages of the POSLavu system?

This is a major issue I have with POSLavu. Other POS systems have integrated an offline mode (at no additional cost / no additional hardware) which allows you to use the ipads to open and close tickets if the servers go down using your own router as a hub. Raph is correct, the ipads won't talk to eachother, but durring an emergency, it's okay to just use one Ipad to open and close orders. The lavulocal server solution is an oldschool fix that isn't really necessary. The iPad is perfectly capable of caching everything locally, and synching with the server without another computer, which is exactly what other ipad-based POS systems do. I would not be surprised in the least if POSLavu eventually adds this functionality to remain competitive. One of the main selling points is NOT needing a backoffice PC, and this moots that advantage.

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I agree with you that an offline mode that you described would be nice. This would allow smaller operations to continue functioning for a limited time without an additional cost. I think that is a good solution and should be implemented.

With that being said I couldn't live without LLS. There is no way we could function on an offline mode like you described, we would be better off going back to paper tickets. LLS is a must for an extremely busy restaurant and is worth the cost for those who truly need it.

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3 questions:

  1. I hear people either complaining that LLS costs extra or praising its capability, but no one has mentioned what it costs. How much does it add to the license?
  2. Has it finally been released? Last time I checked the website last week it still said "coming soon". It seems that it has been on the verge of release for several months. Have there been issues with the beta?
  3. Are there any issues with adding LLS later on, after initial roll-out of a lavu installation?

Thanks,

-Jim

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Hey Jim, I am going to leave 1 & 2 for the POSLavu staff to answer but as for number 3, no there is no problem at all adding LLS later on. LavuLocal installs very quickly and easily and it automatically switches your account over to your local server as it finishes. The only restirction is that during the actual instillation you can not be using your system. Baring any issues planning for about an hour of downtime should cover everything.

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Hi again Rafael,

Should be getting the mac mini next week to begin setup...... just wondering that once the system is running on LLS, should there be an unforeseen malfunction with the mac mini any time- is it easy to switch back to using the cloud server and run like normal?

Thanks,

Paul

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Yes, all you need to do is contact support and they can switch you back to the cloud very easily. Log out of the app and back in and your good to go.

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Hi Rafael,

Just got the mac mini and am setting it up and the Airport extreme router for the first time-

I have some instructions on setup of LLS from support I'm following.

1.Have my Dlink Adsl modem/router going into the back of the Airport Extreme-

2. Used Airport utility to set up Airport Extreme and the Mac Mini is connected to it and accessing internet through it. All ok.

3. Next step, says to go and change the IPv4 setting to "manually" which I did, and changed the IP to 10.0.1.201- just outside the DHCP range of the Extreme router- Which I confirmed it is.

Upon doing this step, the mac mini will no longer receive internet through the extreme router- Orange dot for internet..

I have now switched the setting from "manually" to "Using DHCP with manual Address" and internet is now working on the mac mini again. Is it ok to leave it as this? or must it strictly be only "Manually" Ipv4 setting?

I haven't gone any further now in setup just want to sort this out first.

Thought you may be able to offer a bit of quick advice :)

Many Thanks,

Paul

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Hey Paul,

Try this quick fix first... if this does not work you may have to make some more changes to your network.

On the Mac Mini go to System Preferences -> Network -> Ethernet -> Advanced... The Second tab is "DNS" select that if there are no entries there then add a DNS entry using the IP of your router.

If that does not work let me know and we can get into it a little bit more...

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I don't have the mac mini connected via ethernet to the Extreme router but via Wi Fi as it's at home and in another room- so I did what you suggested in the wifi settings and Genius! it worked! If you're not on the Lavu payroll Rafael- You should be!

Thanks!

Paul

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Hi Rafael,

So I have completed the setup process, LLS Data syncing complete.

Are there any more steps from here or should it just work? I have the ipads using the wifi connection through the Extreme Router- I'm thinking I have to ad them to the network some other official way?

I know it is not working because the Ipads are still going through the cloud like normal..... Possibly lavu takes some time to switch over the account?

Thanks,

Paul

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On the iPads go to the POSLavu menu, select exit location and log all the way out. Now log back in, it should be working. If you start a new order and the order number starts with 8- that means your on LLS. 1- is the cloud.

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Also... In the back end your reports will always be a couple seconds to a couple minutes behind since LLS has to sync to the cloud

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Done! all good now- I didn't log ALL the way out before just exited location.

Good to know about the order numbers-

Many Thanks,

Paul

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 I have 3 iPad terminal, each with a receipt printer, one with a cash box, and two kitchen printers.  At times there is latency sending orders, it seems especially so with large tickets.  My internet connection is great and reliable.  Would using LLS decrease this periodic latency?

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 I have 3 iPad terminal, each with a receipt printer, one with a cash box, and two kitchen printers.  At times there is latency sending orders, it seems especially so with large tickets.  My internet connection is great and reliable.  Would using LLS decrease this periodic latency?

 

Hello JPR, 

 

Thank you for posting on our forums. I've heard from users that the LLS does increase the speed of accounts. It isn't anything drastic, but the speed is increased. I recommend going with the Lavu Local Server, which may help with the latency issues that you are experiencing. If you have questions or concerns, I encourage you to call our support line and they can answer any questions you may have. Any, of course, please continue using our online community. 

 

Thank you,

David Miles

Lavu  

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 I have 3 iPad terminal, each with a receipt printer, one with a cash box, and two kitchen printers.  At times there is latency sending orders, it seems especially so with large tickets.  My internet connection is great and reliable.  Would using LLS decrease this periodic latency?

 

It seems to have sped things up in one of my high-volume installs... but I still wouldn't call it "fast". Is it worth the cost of a Mac Mini and now the additional hosting fee? I'm not sure at this point.

 

We also have the issues with large tickets becoming very slow. This is nothing that Lavu seems willing to address or admit to (although I've not read every post on this forum). I can only assume that it would take some significant programming/developing, if not an entire rewrite to gain the speed that we all desire. 

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We also have the issues with large tickets becoming very slow. This is nothing that Lavu seems willing to address or admit to (although I've not read every post on this forum). I can only assume that it would take some significant programming/developing, if not an entire rewrite to gain the speed that we all desire. 

 

Hi Fresh, 

 

Thank you for posting. The speed does seem to help once converting to LLS. With the huge orders, we see the speed decrease as more items get put on an order. We do test this. We send the tested orders - which have tens of thousands of dollars worth of items - to our dev team, so they can see what is causing the slowdowns. I don't want you to think that this is being unaddressed, because it is. 

 

David Miles 

Lavu 

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